Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:53 am
Wow, guys. I am sorry I missed all this. I have been reading for more than an hour trying to catch up. For my 2 cents, the idea of a vintage EC12 class is wrong.
Firstly, only a couple of hulls have been outlawed because they were not made to guidelines specified by the class or the builder did not want to go to the new standard as is the case with Dumas.
The 95 standard is not a new EC12. It is simply one of the many different variations of EC12s that was selected to be the standard. Remember that there used to be many different molds. Each with one thing slightly different from the next. The 95 standard simply stopped the differences from continuing, which would ultimately change the class.
What HAS changed is the way the hulls have been built and the type of equipment used in them. The boats and rigs are lighter and so more lead can be used. this makes for a stiffer boat and thus a better performing boat.
All of the older, pre 95 hulls, are still legal. the rules did not change. You can leave them the way they are and sail at the back of the fleet, or you can refit them as many have and move up to the front.
I have a nearly 30 year old Treasure Tooling hull with a Dumas deck. It is very tender. But I rebuilt everything on it exept the deck and the lead, and that boat won me a bunch of trophies. Just so you know I have only been doing this as long as the 95 standard has been in use, so I am not talking about beating other old boats here. Yes, I have a new 95 standard now, but I still plan to finish the rebuild on the old boat with a new lead pour and new balsa deck. then I am going to take it out an kick some 95 standard butt.
If the hull is still in good shape, it can be rebuilt to be very competitive. And if it is an old Puritan or Ozmun hull, you better get out of the way.
The 95 standard is nothing more than a preservation move to keep the class strong. The old hulls are still good, they just need some work and a good thumb.
Now if all you guys with bang bang winches (or whatever they are called) want to keep those boats as they are, that is fine. But please don't go messing with the rest of the class. The biggest problem the AMYA has is too many classes. Take a look at Europe. They only have three classes and R/C sailing is 10 times as big as it is here in the States.
As for the entry limits for the Nationals, it is needed. There will be plenty of notice for everyone to find out when and how to enter and there will be plenty of time for the word-of-mouth to get around for those who do not keep up with this site. My feeling is that everyone who wants to go will get in. 42 boats is a big number. It has not been hit yet in the EC12 class to my knowledge.
And if you happen to miss the slots and you desparately need to go, bribery always works.
Joe Walter #24
Firstly, only a couple of hulls have been outlawed because they were not made to guidelines specified by the class or the builder did not want to go to the new standard as is the case with Dumas.
The 95 standard is not a new EC12. It is simply one of the many different variations of EC12s that was selected to be the standard. Remember that there used to be many different molds. Each with one thing slightly different from the next. The 95 standard simply stopped the differences from continuing, which would ultimately change the class.
What HAS changed is the way the hulls have been built and the type of equipment used in them. The boats and rigs are lighter and so more lead can be used. this makes for a stiffer boat and thus a better performing boat.
All of the older, pre 95 hulls, are still legal. the rules did not change. You can leave them the way they are and sail at the back of the fleet, or you can refit them as many have and move up to the front.
I have a nearly 30 year old Treasure Tooling hull with a Dumas deck. It is very tender. But I rebuilt everything on it exept the deck and the lead, and that boat won me a bunch of trophies. Just so you know I have only been doing this as long as the 95 standard has been in use, so I am not talking about beating other old boats here. Yes, I have a new 95 standard now, but I still plan to finish the rebuild on the old boat with a new lead pour and new balsa deck. then I am going to take it out an kick some 95 standard butt.
If the hull is still in good shape, it can be rebuilt to be very competitive. And if it is an old Puritan or Ozmun hull, you better get out of the way.
The 95 standard is nothing more than a preservation move to keep the class strong. The old hulls are still good, they just need some work and a good thumb.
Now if all you guys with bang bang winches (or whatever they are called) want to keep those boats as they are, that is fine. But please don't go messing with the rest of the class. The biggest problem the AMYA has is too many classes. Take a look at Europe. They only have three classes and R/C sailing is 10 times as big as it is here in the States.
As for the entry limits for the Nationals, it is needed. There will be plenty of notice for everyone to find out when and how to enter and there will be plenty of time for the word-of-mouth to get around for those who do not keep up with this site. My feeling is that everyone who wants to go will get in. 42 boats is a big number. It has not been hit yet in the EC12 class to my knowledge.
And if you happen to miss the slots and you desparately need to go, bribery always works.
Joe Walter #24